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What is empathy, and why is it so important on social media? That’s the question I’m asking our guest today. Nōn Wels is a writer and speaker with his company Feely Human Collective, and podcast host of You, Me, Empathy, a show that explores emotional curiosity and vulnerability. While working in the social media space, it’s so easy to become emotionally disconnected from others, as well as from ourselves. This is why practicing empathy is so important for content creators. This episodes talks about what it really means to have empathy for others online, and how it starts with having empathy for ourselves.



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Nōn Wels, Feely Human

Nōn Wels is a writer, dog lover, creator of the mental health podcast, You, Me, Empathy, and founder of The Feely Human Collective — a place to grow your capacity for empathy, vulnerability, and emotional curiosity. He leads workshops, both virtually and in person, on empathy, fostering safe spaces, and emotional intelligence for businesses, schools, and organizations. Right now, he’s pre-selling the Dear Childhood Me journal, which is a love letter to your inner child. Grab yours before the pre-sale ends on May 4 at DearChildhoodMe.com!

Key Topics:

  • Defining empathy
  • How empathy begins with self love and understanding
  • Practicing empathy offline to have more empathy online
  • Investigating our feelings before posting on social media

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Mindy Marzec 0:04
Welcome, welcome to this week’s episode of the Joy of Content podcast. This is your host Mindy Marzec. And I am so happy to be joined today by my friend Non wels. Non and I go way back and we have had many, many discussions about one of our mutual favorite topics which is mental health awareness, emotional wellness, and other conversations that involve deep feelings which I if you’ve if you’ve been listening to the podcast for a while or have been following me on social media, you know that I am very passionate about talking about mental health and being very open and vulnerable about it because I think that it just helps when we talk about these things. And a lot of us have been told that we should not talk about our feelings. And I just think that it would be better if we all did talk about our feelings. So I am very happy that I have connected with Non and I am very happy that he sat down with me for this discussion about empathy, and how it relates to social media. You know, social media is so complicated, because it was created as a way to bring people together, right? It was a way that we can connect with people that maybe we don’t see very often, or just to have conversations with friends, from our computer or from our phone, and it just makes it very easy, and that’s a great thing. But on the other hand, there is a bit of a disconnect when it comes to social media, because generally we are reading words that don’t necessarily have any emotion behind them. And things can get misconstrued misunderstood things can come across wrong, we can take things personally perhaps when they’re not meant to be personal towards us, or vice versa. We could say something that hurt somebody when we don’t really mean to and that’s just the nature of communicating on social media. And so I think having empathy for both other people and for ourselves is very important. And I am so glad to have Non on the show. He hosts a podcast called you me empathy. And I just want to point out that, you know, neither myself or Non are mental health professionals. We are just two people who are both really passionate about mental health awareness and wanting to make others feel understood and loved and remind you that you’re not alone with some of the things that you’re feeling. So, all of this to say that this ended up being a really great conversation about empathy, about how we can better understand ourselves and better manage our feelings, and how we can apply that to how we show up online. And I think that is a huge part of being an online creator, a blogger, a content creator, when we are communicating with people just constantly all day that we do need to show this empathy for each other. I’m excited to bring you this interview. Thank you for being here.

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Mindy Marzec 6:22
Hey, there Non, Welcome to the show.

Non Wels 6:25
Hey Mindy, how are you?

Mindy Marzec 6:27
I am doing well. I am so glad we finally were able to connect this interview is weeks in the making

Non Wels 6:35
weeks in the making. I’m so grateful to be here, friend.

Mindy Marzec 6:39
Yes, I’m grateful that you are here with me friend and I’m excited for our conversation. Before we get started, I am going to take a page out of the Non Wels podcast playbook and I’m going to ask you the question that you ask your guests on your podcast you meet empathy. And that is an emotional check in so known how are you doing today? How are you feeling today?

Non Wels 7:05
Well I am feeling I am feeling overwhelmed. I’m also feeling really grateful. I’m feeling a little bit anxious. I’m feeling proud of myself. I’m also feeling disheartened and feeling all of those things.

Mindy Marzec 7:28
Is there anything that you want to touch on a little a little further that would help your heart today?

Non Wels 7:35
Yeah, I mean, I think that I’ll speak to the things that I I struggle with, trying to be proud of sort of the things I do and you know, myself. And you know, this journal that I’m promoting and launched recently is something I’m very proud of and I I try to hold space for that right and not just move on to the next thing I know that’s something that we’ve talked about before and it’s hard, it’s hard. It’s hard to do that. So we’re trying to just as each exciting thing happens or as each order comes in, I take a moment and reflect on it.

Mindy Marzec 8:18
Yeah, I think that you should and I think that’s something as content creators, which most of us listening to this are I assume there is we’re constantly creating, and I don’t I think we’re always looking to the next thing. Okay, we put out the thing that we created, whether it’s an Instagram post or a book or a journal, and then we’re like, Okay, well, what’s next? And I think that it’s very healthy to take a minute to be like, You know what, I worked hard on that. I’m very proud of it. And I am going to take a moment to sit with that for a while. And one thing that I’ve learned from you known is the the idea of we can think multiple things at once that duality of of our feelings, which is that okay, I created this thing and I need to move on to the next thing. Well, I need to chase the next thing, but I can also appreciate what I just created, right?

Non Wels 9:22
Absolutely. Yeah, we contain multitudes and all of the things we’re feeling are valid and should be explored and and investigated and examined. And I think the systems that we live in, you know, certainly creation, content creation, business, capitalism, etc. wants to paint us and the work we do in binary terms, or just want us to kind of keep keep plugging away at the machine and the reality is like, it’s much more nuanced and rich than that. And when we can sort of deepen into that soft, mushy messy curiosity space. It’s it’s so much richer, it’s a richer experience.

Mindy Marzec 10:13
Yes, we are humans. We are not robots, corporate America. And okay, so, thank you for sharing. I appreciate you. Let’s do a proper introduction. Non Can you tell us about yourself? And tell us a little bit about your business and how you found yourself in this space of wanting to share your mental health journey and help others with their own mental health feelings?

Non Wels 10:45
Yeah, thank you. So in May of 2020, I launched the Feely Human Collective, which basically is about creating space to help us collectively grow our capacity for empathy, vulnerability and emotional curiosity. Three things that have been crucial in my mental health journey. I was raised in an environment that wasn’t always safe felt a little scary. Me being a very sensitive little boy, I learned to shut down my heart and really put on a lot of armor that really kept me from a lot of experience and growth into my 20s and I struggled with and still struggle with major depressive disorder and anorexia for a period of time. And as I was sort of going through the journey of healing and reflecting and doing all that uncomfortable, necessary work, I found that I really want to talk about it. I really want to, I mean, I learned that through being open and reflecting with others. It’s so it’s such a rich, beautiful experience and how we can be mirrors for each other as humans and grow through the perspective of others. And so in January 2018, I started my podcast human empathy, as a way to create a safe space that I didn’t really have to show up and be witness to the wholeness of humanity. That’s that’s a gift we can give each other. And as I started doing that, and really ingratiating myself in mental health advocacy, and being more open about my mental health and creating space for others, I just really felt the call to do more and so I started feeling human in 2020. And now I’m, you know, I lead workshops on empathy, and schools and businesses and things of that sort and I have a shop and I you know, feely hikes and I do all sorts of community stuff and it’s, it’s lovely and it fills my heart and I, I think what is crucial about any sort of, I would say this is applicable to any creator, or any one doing the thing that fills their heart is it can feel overwhelming, it can feel like we’re not making any progress, but the reality is, it takes one heart at a time, right? And so I try to remind myself of that when I’m faced with so much hurt in the world. There’s so much violence or so much systemic abuses and oppression, you know, it’s it’s about one heart at a time and so that’s that’s kind of how I take it and it’s what I love about it.

Mindy Marzec 13:45
And I love that you’ve found this calling for yourself, because I think that it’s very, very needed. And I also feel very strongly about talking about mental health. I’ve talked about it a lot on this podcast and on my social platforms. And I think for me, it comes from a place of I have generalized anxiety disorder. I was actually diagnosed bipolar as a teenager, but my diagnosis has since been amended to generalized anxiety disorder, but I did a lot of research when I was younger, about bipolar disorder and I also have depression. And I think me wanting to talk about it more openly, comes from a place of not understanding myself as a child because you just didn’t talk about these types of things. Back then. When we were kids back in the day, it’s a lot more open now. And I think that not to kind of elevate ourselves too highly. But I think the type of discussions that you and me have with our communities maybe helps people who who are okay or you know, maybe there are there are age and now they’re gonna start talking to their kids about it and kind of break that cycle of silence and and you know that the hashtag stop the stigma is very popular as a way of reminding people that mental health issues, there’s nothing, there’s there’s nothing really wrong about it. We should be talking about it just like any other health issue. Do you agree?

Non Wels 15:27
100% Yeah. Silence is violence. Yeah. And all sorts of capacity, you know, in all ways and all myriad ways that that term sort of applies. It’s, it needs to be talked about because it is us right? We all have mental health we all have health we all feel we all have feelings. We all have emotions, we all struggle. We all we all do those things because we’re all human and we have that shared humanity and denying ourselves of those experiences through so many understandable things through bypassing through protection through armor through survival, through whatever it may may be, right. Those things happen and that’s why like, you creating safe space with your committee to talk about it me doing the same. It’s why those things are needed because it it does require that safety it does require that empathy right.

Mindy Marzec 16:29
And you talked about one heart at a time, but I do believe that has a ripple effect when you put it out into the universe and inspires others to also help others and there’s this ripple effect that goes out. So let’s get into kind of the, the heart of this episode, which is we’re going to be talking about empathy, as it pertains to being on social media because a lot of my community are social media content creators or bloggers or other types of creators and social media is a difficult place for mental health, which is, like even the most strong personalities will struggle with their feelings on social media, and that’s part of the reason why I like to talk about it in conjunction with social media strategy and, and best practices because part of the best practices is is thinking about these feelings and these mental health issues that can come up with being on social media but so I want to talk about how we can be more empathetic and show more empathy on social media. But first, I want to ask you, how do you define empathy? Like what is it exactly because I think a lot of people think like empathy is just being kind to other people, but it’s a little bit more nuanced than that.

Non Wels 17:56
Yes it is. I mean, I would argue that empathy is all nuance. Empathy is something I feel has been simplified, and I think it’s something that is often mis diagnosed, if you will. Empathy is is about meeting people where they are, ultimately, but to do that, it requires a cognitive piece. It requires an emotional piece, it requires a compassionate piece. It requires boundaries, it requires the understanding that empathy is not a checkbox, right. It’s not a I did the empathy. It’s an ongoing, active, messy, uncomfortable practice. And that requires us to examine our bias and our assumptions that requires us to go inward before we go outward. I think any empathy that goes outward requires an empathy that goes inward. So an empathy for self. That’s sort of the foundation of any real empathy work in my mind. Is like we have to understand what we’re all about and what fills us up and how we’re sort of operating in the world and how we’re showing up in spaces and showing up in spaces and taking up the room and, and and what is part of that is how we see the world and we are where we are sort of intersectionally in the world and the context of that space. It’s it’s all that’s all nuanced, right? That’s That’s all of it. It’s it’s so when whenever I hear people say like it’s about putting yourself in the shoes of others. That is true. And it’s not just about the shoes. I said a lot of things.

Mindy Marzec 19:58
No, I’m processing it all because you’re right. It is so nuanced, and I kind of didn’t realize how nuanced it is. But you talked about how it starts with ourselves. And I want to talk about this as it relates to social media because a lot of people view content creation and influencer marketing as a very self absorbed industry. And I can see why people say that and I can see also why some creators get lost in that because it is an industry that’s all about how our content performs and how other people view us. And that can really take a toll on our self esteem and can even kind of chip away at our empathy a little bit. Because I feel like sometimes well, I’ll speak for myself. If I’m having a tough day on social media. My initial my gut reaction is to not necessarily be mean to others, but but empathy isn’t top of mind. I’ll just say that. And I think hopefully, that’s something that people can relate to, that they just don’t keep that top of mind and it’s not necessarily how do I say this? It’s not necessarily like we’re going to take actions to be mean to someone but we just maybe don’t keep the human side on the other side of the screen. We just don’t keep that in mind maybe as much as we should. So how can we show empathy more? How can we better show empathy to others when we’re communicating on a platform with with like social media where it’s, I mean, now you can do video, but basically, it’s just text like through a blog post or through an Instagram caption or through a tweet. How can we pause like, Do you have any best practices for that? Like how can we pause and say like, Okay, how will this be perceived? How can I help someone with these words? Am I making any sense?

Non Wels 22:16
You’re making, you’re making sense and I think you’re answering the question. I think it is about pausing. Okay. It is about understanding the context of the situation. I think it is about being clear and mindful of the language we use. I think it’s about being considerate of the intersectionality of humanity. I think it’s being understanding of our assumptions about the world and certain people in it, right. It’s also about understanding what social media is. So if we’re showing up and we are feeling maybe like we have a chip on our shoulders, or we’re feeling a little defensive or we’re starting to feel a little bit of that grating that happens in social media land. What’s going on there, investigate that. Right? I said before, we must go inward before we go outward. A part of that is knowing ourselves, how do we apply empathy, back inward if we don’t know who it’s for? Right. So a piece of that is like if we are showing up and we are feeling a little bit armored up and defensive and being armored up is okay. But understanding what that armor is for and how it serves us and serves what we’re wanting to achieve in social media and how we want to impact our community. That’s important, right? So investigating why we’re starting to feel a little bit you know, snippy, or whatever it writes, investigate that and understand that and that with with that, I think maybe a sort of a more simple sort of answer that is, is a boundary like what is a boundary looked like for you and social media? I think boundaries are a boundaries. Not I think I know boundaries are a crucial part of empathy. Without them we self destruct and I would say the same for social media. We need boundaries. We need to understand why we’re here and what we’re doing. And also know our triggers and be aware of that and not let it get to a point where we’re, you know, fighting with someone on Twitter. I mean, just get off of Twitter is my is my, my feedback. Just get off Twitter, maybe get off of Facebook, too. You know, I joke and also I’m serious, but I think the reality is, I think pause take time to reflect before posting. Why are you posting what is it about how are you? How is this going to land think about all the ways that it could land right, like taking that pause and reflecting is, is huge.

Mindy Marzec 25:08
Right and can I mention that this is an ongoing practice. We have to practice being empathetic because like you said it when we are looking inwards, it’s tough work. It’s uncomfortable. It’s uncomfortable to sit with some of the things that we might be feeling and some of the the maybe sadness or even anger that can come with being on social media and perhaps feeling alone or unloved or misunderstood. It’s not necessarily the social media that’s causing it, but it’s more of an inward journey of showing ourselves that empathy that we deserve. It’s funny my I just thought of something about how, you know I have very I struggle with my self esteem. And I will say things sometimes in passing and my husband will say, Don’t talk about my wife that way. And I have to stop and think and be like, okay, like, I shouldn’t be so hard on myself because I am someone’s wife, I’m someone’s daughter, I Am someone’s sister. I am someone’s friend. And they wouldn’t like if someone else was talking about me the way that I talk about me, but it’s a practice. You know, I’m in my 40s and I still struggle with it.

Non Wels 26:42
Yep, it’s a practice. I struggle with it too Mindy. So you’re not alone in that. And I think what’s interesting about it is what bubbled up for me as you were speaking is that’s a story you tell yourself, right? And we believe it because it’s always been true, right. And so, this has a similar application to empathy, which is, we tell stories about other people to ourselves, right? Like this type of person is this thing and we tell stories and we sort of go in our heads about like, Oh, they’re probably doing this and they’re, you know, whatever, whatever, right? Like we’re making up because that’s protection because like, we’re building our defenses, right. So a crucial part of empathy is to allow for it to be true, maybe and it turned out not to be true. What’s what’s in the middle there? What can what can we how can we pause and be curious and reflect and be soft, and get mushy and uncomfortable? And understanding that maybe both are a little bit true? Maybe none are true? How can we like investigate that and be more curious about that as opposed to making up the stories and allowing them to lead and be the armor and be the defense and be the legacy? With how we show up?

Mindy Marzec 28:07
Yes, I love that. And it’s speaking about doing this work of being more empathetic and you know, showing ourselves empathy, but also being empathetic towards others online, which is a practice. Is there anything we can do? Maybe off offline, in our personal lives to practice that empathy both for ourselves and for others? Like you know, like, I know that people say like, well, you know, say your affirmations and things like that, but like, beyond that, is there anything that we can do to kind of train our brains to be a little more empathetic towards ourselves and others?

Non Wels
Yes, absolutely, I think there are a ton of touch points to accessing empathy. One is what we said before practicing vulnerability. You know, starting with just maybe the people you love the most, you know, a partner, a friend, you know, practicing opening up. So in in a workshop that I run called illustrating empathy. One thing I do toward the end is called, if you knew me, you would know that. And so you say the idea is that you go around the room and you say, if you knew me, you would know that and then you offer up something. Maybe folks don’t know about you, maybe something a little personal, maybe a little vulnerable. The point being to allow you to share a little bit, get out of your comfort zone a little bit in a safe container and allow others to be witness to that and to how and to allow others to reflect and to listen actively, which is another piece of empathy is to active listening, and to make that a opportunity for connection through empathy, right? So vulnerability is one. I think feeling our feelings is another like getting used to like being curious about our feelings and understanding that sometimes we take on the feelings of others understanding that no feeling is good or bad, understanding that sometimes the feelings guide us one place, and sometimes they don’t guide us anymore. Sometimes they’re just they’re right. Sometimes we don’t necessarily need to look at them and investigate them wholly, but we do need to be curious about them, right. And that process of feeling our feelings is a sort of foundational exploration of nuance and getting used to that curiosity rather than the compartmentalizing or shutting down or avoiding that we do. And that that sort of mindful heart space is as a crucial one for empathy.

Mindy Marzec
Right. I think we learn from a young age that there are some feelings that we are not supposed to show or talk about. We’re not supposed to be depressed. We’re not supposed to show sadness. We’re not supposed to cry. We’re not supposed to be angry, and when at but that’s not true. We have all those feelings sometimes and like you said, compartmentalizing them, just will ultimately make things worse. I believe.

Non Wels
Yes.

Mindy Marzec
I found that one thing that really works for me that is sort of cliche, but I think obviously it works for you is journaling. Can we talk about journaling for a minute and maybe how that has helped you learn more about your feelings and yourself and just kind of getting stuff out out of your head and out into the world without necessarily anyone else needing to see it?

Non Wels
Yeah, I so I’ve always been, not always but I’ve been a writer for most of my life, and it’s something that has helped me escape at times. It is something that has helped me reflect and get into my imagination. I think imagination is a big part of empathy too. And, and I think it connects to my love of stories and storytelling, and getting lost and Where the Red Fern Grows as a kid and getting lost in the stories where I could escape and also stories, like movies are empathy machines as as Roger Ebert said they allow us to get into characters and see ourselves through characters. And that connects to writing for me is like I I’ve written fiction I used to write a lot of fiction and been more nonfiction nowadays. And it’s just a it’s a it’s another way to Yeah, like you said, Get get it out of your head a little bit, and maybe gain some perspective on what’s going on. You know, sometimes when I’m feeling such big feelings and it feels overwhelming, writing something down, can bring a little bit of perspective to a can it can sort of dissipate the bigness a little bit and help me see that maybe even it wasn’t as big as I thought. Right. So it can be a big line. Yeah, it could be this perspective giver. And it’s, it’s just such a useful tool when it comes to processing and empathy.

Mindy Marzec
Yeah, I found that I just in general, am a happier, more balanced person if I do, just like what I tried, I tried to do and I’m not perfect, but what I tried to do is a gratitude list in the morning when I wake up. So I write down a just a few things that I’m grateful for and sometimes it’s big things and sometimes it is the smaller things. But I try to just start the day with that and then right before bed, you know with my anxiety I have a lot of obsessive thoughts at night. And it’s tough for me to sleep. So I find that if I do just like five minutes of just a big brain dump before I go to bed, that definitely has a positive effect on my well being on my sleep patterns on basically everything in my life. I just kind of get it all out before bed. And that also helps me. You know, when I wake up the next morning, I feel a little bit more free from those thoughts, if that makes sense. Absolutely. And so I really, really like the idea of journaling. And I think that segues nicely into wrapping up this conversation. Because well first of all, thank you so much for coming on the joy of content to talk about empathy. It’s definitely a complicated subject and I think we could probably go on and on and on about the little nuances to it. And I’d love to have you come back for another episode someday and get into it a little more.

Non Wels
Yeah, be great.

Mindy Marzec
So thank you for that. And I want to wrap up the show by giving you a chance to tell people where they can find you online and please tell us about the new journal that you created.

Non Wels
Yeah, so I’ll start with that latter point I created a journal called the dear childhood me journal and it’s it’s a love letter to your inner child. It’s an opportunity to reflect on yourself as a sensitive little kiddo. You know, so the past year and a half I’ve been writing little love notes to my inner child and it’s been really healing and it’s been really it’s allowed me to I used to hold a lot of shame about sort of how I operated how I showed up in the world as a kid and I don’t know why, you know, I was such a sensitive kid and in a violent world, and so I did what I could, right and so I the opportunity to like reflect on that kiddo and give him all the love and nourishment that he deserves and I deserve and you deserve money and all the listeners deserve you know has been so healing so I thought oh, it would be fun to create a journal and so the journal is called thier childhood me and it’s, there’s a there’s a larger version. There’s a pocket version, and it’s filled with some of my writing and they’re kind of prompts writing prompts their little affirmations and I’m very proud of it. It’s designed by corn on and Denic is is manufacturing them. And it’s a pre sale right now that ends on May 4 And they won’t be sold after that. And if you order now you get a bonus download of inner child prompts as well as a personalized letter. from me. You can go to Dearchildhood me.com for that, and then I’m on Instagram. My podcast is at you me empathy. You me empathy is where you listen to the podcast. You can listen to it everywhere, all the places. I’m also at feely human on Instagram and then the main website is fully human.co

Mindy Marzec
Perfect and I just want to make a note on the journal because i i for anyone who’s listening maybe you’re like me, I had a lovely childhood. I really couldn’t have asked for more. I have loved two loving parents. I was by all accounts I was a spoiled kid. But when I became a teenager, I mean honestly after puberty, which I feel like is when most people start feeling a lot of deep feelings like the movie Inside Out, tells us speaking of of them empathetic, yes, empathetic movies. I really really started to struggle with my anxiety and my depression. That’s when it really started to come out. And so when talking about dear child hood me, I think that also applies to us as teenagers. And a lot of the affirmations and prompts that you have in this journal are just very helpful reminders and a great way to kind of deal with some of those feelings that we felt when we were young, I’ll say and that we didn’t really get a chance to talk about openly with anyone and maybe still haven’t had a chance. So I think what you’ve created is a really lovely idea and I know it’s going to help a lot of people start or continue that healing process. And if you’re listening to this episode, before May 4 2022. I definitely encourage you to visit the deer childhood me.com website and get yourself a copy before it’s too late. But if you’re listening to this after May 4 Never fear you can still visit Non’s website and find out what he is up to lately. Yes?

Non Wels
yes. I appreciate that.

Mindy Marzec
I appreciate you Non, again thank you so much for coming on the joy of content today. It was lovely to chat with you.

Non Wels
Oh my gosh. It’s such an honor. Thank you, Mindy.

Mindy Marzec
All right. I hope you enjoyed that interview with my friend Non I just love talking with Non, his voice is so calming. I love listening to his podcast. It just makes me feel so much better. And you know as he as we were talking about reassuring each other that we’re not alone out there with our feelings. And I think that is one amazing power of social media is that it helps us to feel like we’re not alone. And we have the power as content creators to help others feel seen and like they’re not alone and feel like they fit in. And I think that’s the beauty of online community. So I really hope that you liked this episode. Thank you again to known for coming on the show. Be sure you check out his podcast, you meet empathy. You can check out his website at feeling human.co And you can also check out his book his journal at dear childhood me.com through May 4 And I have ordered my coffee. I’m excited to get it. And I thank you for showing up for this episode for showing up for yourself for taking steps to practice empathy and to help your business and help yourself grow as a business owner and as a human. I think that like we talked about this work is not easy, but you’re doing it and I’m so proud of you. So once again before I wrap this up, I will just remind you that if you are looking for some deeper mental health work with a professional I do recommend the better help platform you can use my referral link to get one free week to try it out by going to fairy tale social.com/better help or if you need any links that we talked about in this episode, you can go to the show notes at joy of content.com. So that’s it for me. Thank you again for joining me today and remember to always use your influence for good. I will see you on the next episode. Thank you.

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